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20260310 CDTL GRF 24 April 1975 D257 Biên bản cuộc hội đàm.

20260310 CDTL GRF 24 April 1975 D257 Biên bản cuộc hội đàm.


https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d257

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Tài liệu 257

Quan hệ đối ngoại của Hoa Kỳ, 1969–1976, Tập X, Việt Nam, tháng 1 năm 1973–tháng 7 năm 1975

257. Biên bản cuộc hội đàm

Washington, ngày 24 tháng 4 năm 1975, 10:43–11 giờ sáng

NGƯỜI THAM GIA

Tổng thống Ford

Tiến sĩ Henry A. Kissinger, Ngoại trưởng kiêm Phụ tá Tổng thống về An ninh Quốc gia

Trung tướng Brent Scowcroft, Phụ tá Tổng thống về An ninh Quốc gia

[Phần thảo luận không liên quan đến Việt Nam được lược bỏ.]

[Tổng thống đọc bức điện tín của Martin.]

Tổng thống: Tôi nghĩ ông ấy phải bảo các nhà thầu và người dân thường nhanh chóng rời đi. Chúng ta không thể chịu trách nhiệm cho việc họ trì hoãn đưa người thân ra khỏi khu vực. Tôi có thể hiểu những con số chính thức của Mỹ. Không có ích gì cả khi ngồi chờ bão sắp đến.

Kissinger: Chúng ta có thể rời đi bất cứ lúc nào. Chúng ta phải tin vào số liệu của ông ấy vì ông ấy là người trực tiếp chứng kiến ​​tình hình thực tế.

Tổng thống: Điều khiến tôi lo lắng là, mặc dù ông ấy đã đưa ra các con số, nhưng cuối cùng con số thực tế luôn cao hơn. Tôi không thích điều đó. [Trang 898]

Kissinger: Tôi đồng ý. Ông ấy đã không thực hiện mệnh lệnh và cũng chưa thực hiện. Tôi nghĩ chúng ta nên nói rằng Tổng thống chấp thuận, nhưng đây là lần thứ hai ông ấy chấp thuận. Không thể có sự mơ hồ nào về con số này. Tổng thống muốn tất cả các nhà thầu không thiết yếu và những người không thuộc chính phủ phải di dời. Những người ở lại sau khi đạt đến con số 1090 sẽ phải tự chịu rủi ro. Báo chí nên giảm thiểu đến mức tối đa.

Tổng thống: Nếu số người cần di tản giảm xuống còn 1090 và những người không thiết yếu vào ngày hôm sau, thì khi nào sẽ diễn ra cuộc di tản cuối cùng?

Kissinger: Khi nào chúng ta khởi đầu.

Tổng thống: Tôi sẽ cho ông ấy một con số cuối cùng—số lượng nhà thầu, v.v. sẽ là bao nhiêu vào sáng thứ Bảy ngày 3.

[Phần thảo luận không liên quan đến Việt Nam đã được lược bỏ.]

1.    Nguồn: Thư viện Ford, Cố vấn An ninh Quốc gia, Biên bản các cuộc hội thoại, Hộp 11, Hồ sơ theo thứ tự thời gian. Mật; Không được tiết lộ. Cuộc họp được tổ chức tại Phòng Bầu dục. Tất cả các dấu ngoặc vuông, ngoại trừ những dấu ngoặc chỉ ra nội dung bị lược bỏ, đều được giữ nguyên trong bản gốc.

2.    Martin đã phác thảo tình hình người di tản trong thông điệp bí mật 734 gửi Kissinger, ngày 24 tháng 4. (Ibid., Thông điệp bí mật, Hộp 3, Kênh Martin, tháng 4 năm 1975, Đến, 2) Trong thông điệp bí mật WH50757 gửi Martin, ngày 24 tháng 4, Kissinger viết: “Tổng thống đã đọc điện tín của ông với sự tán thành và đánh giá cao. Về kế hoạch giảm xuống 1090 vào tối thứ Sáu, tôi muốn ông biết rằng Tổng thống đã chỉ ra rằng con số 1090 (1100) là con số mà ông ấy đã chỉ đạo ông đạt được vào tối thứ Ba theo giờ của ông và ông ấy đã thông báo điều này cho các nhà lãnh đạo Quốc hội. Ông ấy nói rằng ông ấy phải nhấn mạnh việc đạt được mức 1090 mà ông đề nghị vào tối thứ Sáu theo giờ Sài Gòn.” (Ibid., Outgoing, 3) Thứ Sáu là ngày 25 tháng 4.

3.    Ngày 26 tháng 4.

Sources

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/sources

Abbreviations and Terms

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/terms

Persons

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/persons

Note on U.S. Covert Actions

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/note

Vietnam, January 1973–July 1975

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/comp1

Collapse and Evacuation, February 26–July 22, 1975 (Documents 178–283)

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/ch3

1.    Document 257

Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume X, Vietnam, January 1973–July 1975

257. Memorandum of Conversation1

Washington, April 24, 1975, 10:43–11 a.m.

PARTICIPANTS

  • President Ford
  • Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
  • Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs

[Omitted here is discussion unrelated to Vietnam.]

[President reads the Martin cable.]2

President: I think he has to tell the contractors and civilians to get going. We can’t be responsible for their delaying to get the dependents out. I can understand the official American numbers.

It is not helpful to have a typhoon coming.

Kissinger: We can get out at any time. We have to believe his figures because he is the guy on the ground.

President: What worries me is, while he has given the figures, he always ends up higher. I don’t like that.

[Page 898]

Kissinger: I agree. He has not carried out orders and hasn’t. I think we should say the President approves but it’s the second time he has approved one. There can be no equivocation on this figure. The President wants all non-essential contractors and non-government people moved out. Those who stay after the 1090 figure is reached will stay at their own risk. The press should slim down to an absolute minimum.

President: If he is down to 1090 and non-essentials the day after, when is the final evacuation?

Kissinger: Whenever we trigger.

President: I would give him a final figure—what would the number be of contractors, etc. by Saturday3 morning.

[Omitted here is discussion unrelated to Vietnam.]

1.    Source: Ford Library, National Security Adviser, Memoranda of Conversations, Box 11, Chronological File. Secret; Nodis. The meeting was held in the Oval Office. All brackets, except those indicating omitted material, are in the original.

2.    Martin outlined the evacuee situation in backchannel message 734 to Kissinger, April 24. (Ibid., Backchannel Messages, Box 3, Martin Channel, April 1975, Incoming, 2) In backchannel message WH50757 to Martin, April 24, Kissinger wrote: “The President has read your cable with substantial approval and appreciation. With respect to the planned reduction to 1090 by Friday night, I want you to know that the President pointed out that the figure 1090 (1100) was one he had directed you to reach by Tuesday evening your time and that he had so briefed the congressional leaders. He says he must insist on reaching your proposed level of 1090 by Friday night Saigon time.” (Ibid., Outgoing, 3) Friday was April 25.

3.    April 26.

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