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20260320 CDTL GRF 28 April 1975 D267 Biên bản cuộc hội đàm

20260320 CDTL GRF 28 April 1975 D267 Biên bản cuộc hội đàm


https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d267

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Tài liệu 267

Quan hệ đối ngoại của Hoa Kỳ, 1969–1976, Tập X, Việt Nam, tháng 1 năm 1973–tháng 7 năm 1975

267. Biên bản cuộc hội đàm

Washington, ngày 28 tháng 4 năm 1975, 11:25 sáng

NGƯỜI THAM DỰ

Tổng thống Ford

Tiến sĩ Henry A. Kissinger, Ngoại trưởng kiêm Phụ tá Tổng thống phụ trách Hội đồng An ninh Quốc gia

Trung tướng Brent Scowcroft, Phụ tá Tổng thống phụ trách Hội đồng An ninh Quốc gia

Tổng thống: Máy bay A-37 có gây thiệt hại lớn không?

Kissinger: Không. Chúng tấn công vào phía Không quân Việt Nam.

Tổng thống: Có bao nhiêu máy bay bị bất khiển dụng?

Kissinger: 35-40 chiếc. Thật đáng kinh ngạc.

Tổng thống: Thật sự là một việc làm tuyệt vời.

Kissinger: Chính phủ lâm thời yêu cầu gặp chúng tôi ở Paris, rồi họ trì hoãn, sau đó họ yêu cầu chúng tôi đến văn phòng của họ. Chúng tôi còn rất ít khả năng và họ dường như đang cứng rắn hơn. Quốc hội vẫn chưa hành động.

Tổng thống: Vậy Martin nghĩ sao?

Kissinger: Ông ấy nghĩ rằng quá trình chuyển đổi sẽ mất rất nhiều thời gian và ông ấy muốn biến nó thành hoạt động cứu trợ và phục hồi cho Minh. Nhưng tôi nghĩ họ sẽ sớm chế ngự Minh và sau đó chúng ta sẽ trở thành con tin. Quyền kiểm soát của JGS đối với lực lượng cũng sẽ suy giảm. Cuối tuần này, chúng ta có thể phải đối mặt với việc cần phải di tản. Khi Smith quyết định rằng Tân Sơn Nhất không thể sử dụng được, chúng ta sẽ rút những người đang làm công tác xử lý ra. Khi đó, hoạt động trực thăng sẽ chỉ diễn ra ở một địa điểm. Nhưng họ cứ liên tục thay đổi số lượng người có thể được di tản.

Tổng thống: Các cơ quan G-2 có được bảo vệ không?

Kissinger: Một là khu tập trung MACV, cái kia… Graham sẽ giữ DAO ở đó sau khi người tị nạn dừng lại để Minh có thể giao dịch với họ. Tôi thông cảm, nhưng với cách mà Ngũ Giá Đài đã hoạt động, tôi không nghĩ chúng ta có thể biện minh cho việc để họ ở đó trong nước.

Tổng thống: Tôi nghĩ khi chức năng của họ không còn nữa, tôi không nghĩ chúng ta có thể biện minh cho việc để họ ở đó trong nước.

Kissinger: Chức năng của họ là cố vấn cho Quân đội Việt Nam Cộng hòa (ARVN), vì vậy việc họ rời đi sẽ làm tình hình thêm xấu đi và làm suy yếu Chính phủ Việt Nam (GVN). Ông không cần phải quyết định ngay bây giờ, nhưng tình hình sẽ tiếp tục diễn biến – bạn bè của chúng ta sẽ rời đi. Tôi nghĩ chúng ta nên theo dõi sát sao Chính phủ Minh và khi thành phần của chính phủ thay đổi, chúng ta có thể muốn cắt giảm nhanh chóng hoặc rút quân. Chúng ta có nghĩa vụ phải thực hiện quá trình chuyển đổi một cách nhân đạo nhất có thể, nhưng tôi không đồng ý với Martin rằng chúng ta nên có một đại sứ quán lớn ở đó để cứu trợ; chúng ta nên đàm phán riêng về vấn đề này.

Tổng thống: Hãy theo dõi sát sao tình hình. Còn lại bao nhiêu người?

Kissinger:khoảng 150 người Mỹ không chính thức. Tất cả họ đều đã được cảnh báo, và tôi không quá lo lắng về điều đó. Vấn đề của chúng ta là những người Mỹ chính thức.

[Phần thảo luận không liên quan đến Việt Nam đã được lược bỏ.]

1.    Nguồn: Thư viện Ford, Cố vấn An ninh Quốc gia, Biên bản các cuộc hội thoại, Hộp 11, Hồ sơ theo thứ tự thời gian. Mật; Không được phép tiết lộ. Cuộc họp được tổ chức tại Phòng Bầu dục.

2.    Xem chú thích 4, Tài liệu 266.

Sources

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/sources

Abbreviations and Terms

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/terms

Persons

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/persons

Note on U.S. Covert Actions

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/note

Vietnam, January 1973–July 1975

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/comp1

Collapse and Evacuation, February 26–July 22, 1975 (Documents 178–283)

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/ch3

1.    Document 267

Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume X, Vietnam, January 1973–July 1975

267. Memorandum of Conversation1

Washington, April 28, 1975, 11:25 a.m.

PARTICIPANTS

  • President Ford
  • Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and Assistant to the President for NSC
  • Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to the President for NSC

President: Did the A–37’s do major damage?

Kissinger: No. They hit the Vietnamese Air Force side.

President: How many are out now?

Kissinger: 35–40,000. It’s remarkable.

President: It really has been magnificently done.

Kissinger: The PRG asked to meet us in Paris, then they stalled, then they demanded we go to their office. We have little capability left and they seemed to be toughening up. Congress hasn’t acted.

President: What does Martin think?

Kissinger: He thinks it will take a long time to have a transition and he wants to turn it into relief and rehabilitation for Minh.2 But I think they will dominate Minh soon and then we will be hostage. Also the JGS control over the forces will decline. Later this week we may be faced with the need to evacuate. When Smith decides Tan Son Nhut can’t be used, we pull out the people doing the processing. Then the helicopter operation would be only at one site. But they keep changing the numbers which can be lifted.

President: Are the G–2’s protected?

Kissinger: One is the MACV compound, the other . . . Graham would keep the DAO there after the refugees stop so Minh can trade for them. I sympathize, but the way the Pentagon has operated, I don’t think we can defend domestically leaving them.

President: I think when their function is gone, I don’t think you can defend domestically leaving them.

Kissinger: Their function is advising ARVN, so their leaving would further deteriorate the situation and depress the GVN. You don’t need to decide now, but the situation will keep unravelling—our friends will be leaving. I think we should watch the Minh Government very raptly and when it changes composition we may want to cut back very quickly or pull out. We have an obligation to make the transition as humane [Page 922] as possible, but I don’t agree with Martin that we have a large embassy there for relief; we should negotiate it separately.

President: Keep a close watch on it. How many are left?

Kissinger: There are 150 or so unofficial Americans. They have all been warned, and I am not so worried about that. The official Americans are our problem.

[Omitted here is discussion unrelated to Vietnam.]

1.    Source: Ford Library, National Security Adviser, Memoranda of Conversations, Box 11, Chronological File. Secret; Nodis. The meeting was held in the Oval Office.

2.    See footnote 4, Document 266.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d267

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https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d266fn4

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Henry A Kissinger

Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs until November 3, 1975; also Secretary of State from September 21, 1973

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