20251008 CDTL Bạch Thoại Giữa Tổng Thống Nixon Và Kissinger 12 August 1973 D103
103. Transcript of Telephone Conversation Between President Nixon and the President’s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger)1
August 12, 1973, 2:30 p.m.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d103
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/pg_421
August 12, 1973, 2:30 p.m.
[Omitted here is discussion unrelated to Indochina.]
P: Nothing new on the international front? Nobody’s shot anybody yet?
K: No, nothing of any consequence. The, oh, Sihanouk sent a telegram to Mansfield in which he said that if we stop sending military aid to Cambodia, then he will make peace with us. You know, that’s exactly the ploy they used to pull in South Vietnam.
P: Well, now, how can he make these when he doesn’t control the Khmer Rouge?
K: Well, but what does it mean? What does peace mean if . . .
P: That means his peace, well . . .
K: If we’ve got to stop military aid. But of course it’s the inevitable thing. You stop bombing and they go to the next thing.
P: (laughs) Yeah.
K: And once you stop military aid to Phnom Penh, it’s gonna collapse. But he said he would then establish diplomatic relations with us.
P: Well, hell, how can he? He’s not there.
K: Well, they’ll bring him back for that purpose. And I suspect that this is what the Democrats are now going to try to do when the Congress comes back.
P: Stop all military aid to Cambodia?
K: Yeah.
P: Then have Sihanouk come back as the head of a Communist government. Is that it?
K: That’s right. That’s what it would amount to.
P: What do we say to the Chinese?
K: Well, I don’t think we should—I think, Mr. President, we should say nothing. What can we say? We have no bargaining chips left.
P: No, I know. But my point is, if they ask us what we think of such a proposal.
K: We say, this is a surrender. This is a unilateral . . . uh, we will promote a negotiation. I mean, if they drive us too far we will publish our proposal that we offered Sihanouk to come back as head of a coalition government, and then we proposed that . . .
P: I’m not sure he’s got that strength in Cambodia, anyway.
K: Well, he doesn’t have any strength in Cambodia, but I think the Khmer Rouge will use him for this purpose as a . . .
P: As a way to get the aid, that’s right.
K: . . . as a way to get the aid stuff. That’s the only thing of any significance.
[Omitted here is discussion unrelated to Indochina.]
Google Translated
14:30 ngày 12 tháng 8 năm 1973
[Bỏ qua phần thảo luận không liên quan đến Đông Dương.]
P: Không có gì mới trên mặt trận quốc tế sao? Chưa có ai bắn ai cả?
K: Không, không có gì đáng kể cả. À, Sihanouk đã gửi một bức điện cho Mansfield, trong đó ông ta nói rằng nếu chúng ta ngừng viện trợ quân sự cho Campuchia, thì ông ta sẽ ký hòa ước với chúng ta. Anh biết đấy, đó chính xác là chiêu trò mà họ dùng để thực hiện ở Nam Việt Nam.
P: Vậy thì, làm sao ông ta có thể làm những điều này khi ông ta không kiểm soát được Khmer Đỏ?
K: Nhưng điều đó có nghĩa là gì? Hòa bình có nghĩa là gì nếu...
P: Nghĩa là hòa bình của ông ấy, à thì...
K: Nếu chúng ta phải ngừng viện trợ quân sự. Nhưng dĩ nhiên đó là điều không thể tránh khỏi. Bạn ngừng ném bom và họ lại chuyển sang việc khác.
P: (cười) Ừ.
K: Và một khi bạn ngừng viện trợ quân sự cho Phnom Penh, nó sẽ sụp đổ. Nhưng ông ấy đã nói rằng sau đó ông ấy sẽ thiết lập quan hệ ngoại giao với chúng ta.
P: Chà, chết tiệt, làm sao ông ấy có thể làm được? Ông ấy không có ở đó.
K: Chà, họ sẽ đưa ông ấy trở lại vì mục đích đó. Và tôi ngờ rằng đây chính là điều mà Đảng Dân chủ sẽ cố gắng làm khi Quốc hội họp lại. [Trang 421]
P: Ngừng tất cả viện trợ quân sự cho Campuchia?
K: Ừ.
P: Vậy thì Sihanouk sẽ trở lại làm người đứng đầu một chính phủ Cộng sản. Vậy thôi sao?
K: Đúng vậy. Chuyện đó sẽ dẫn đến hậu quả.
P: Chúng ta nói gì với Trung Quốc đây?
K: Vâng, tôi không nghĩ chúng ta nên làm vậy—tôi nghĩ, thưa Tổng thống, chúng ta không nên nói gì cả. Chúng ta có thể nói gì? Chúng ta không còn quân bài mặc cả nào nữa.
P: Không, tôi biết. Nhưng ý tôi là, nếu họ hỏi chúng ta nghĩ gì về một đề nghị như vậy.
K: Chúng ta nói, đây là một sự đầu hàng. Đây là một sự đơn phương... ừm, chúng ta sẽ thúc đẩy một cuộc đàm phán. Ý tôi là, nếu họ đẩy chúng ta đi quá xa, chúng ta sẽ công bố đề nghị mà chúng ta đã đề nghị với Sihanouk để ông ấy trở lại làm người đứng đầu một chính phủ liên minh, và sau đó chúng ta lại đề nghị rằng...
P: Dù sao thì tôi cũng không chắc ông ta có đủ sức mạnh ở Campuchia hay không.
K: À, ông ta không có sức mạnh ở Campuchia, nhưng tôi nghĩ Khmer Đỏ sẽ lợi dụng ông ta cho mục đích này như một...
P: Đúng vậy, như một cách để có được viện trợ.
K:... như một cách để có được viện trợ. Đó là điều duy nhất có ý nghĩa.
[Bỏ qua ở đây là phần thảo luận không liên quan đến Đông Dương.]
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d103
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/pg_421
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