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20250930 CDTL Bạch Thoại Giửa Kissinger Và Schlesinger 30 July 1973 D95

20250930 CDTL Bạch Thoại Giửa Kissinger Và Schlesinger 30 July 1973 D95


95. Transcript of Telephone Conversation Between the President’s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) and Secretary of Defense Schlesinger1

Washington, July 30, 1973, 9:30 p.m.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d95

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/pg_387

Washington, July 30, 1973, 9:30 p.m.

K: Hello.

S: Hello, Henry.

K: Jim two things. I have a backchannel from Graham Martin2 who was in Phnom Penh and who feels we should switch bombing to the frontier and concentrations along the frontier.

[Page 387]

S: OK, you mean the B–52s?

K: Yes. He also claims there are restrictions on our bombing.

S: I know not about that. The Embassy had restrictions on bombing in the south.

K: For what reason?

S: I never figured that one out. I think we discussed it with you in San Clemente.

K: And I overruled it then.

S: I think so. Well, I’ll check on it. I assumed it was called off but they may still be using it in the field.

K: Can we make sure. There are only two weeks left.

S: ______

K: In the next two weeks and fast.

S: You’re sure you want that. There has been a proclivity to lay low in the frontier. Any way let me look into it.

K: I know I want it. What is the proclivity?

S: I think the attitude may have been that the purpose was to show up the Cambodian bombings not to beat the hell out of the ______ of South Vietnam.

K: But South Vietnam is the ballgame.

S: Yes, but we have got some kind of ceasefire with these bastards. Suddenly we open up with B–52s. Let me look at this problem and get back to you shortly.

K: But today.

S: Yes.

K: Jim, about our Friday conversation, could you let me know as soon as possible what you are doing so we can get word to ______ and also if there is any information. We got to prepare ourselves properly.

S: OK. Very good. I will go to John Foster.

K: Can you let me know by the end of the day tomorrow?

S: That is going to be hard on the first question because we don’t know what we are going to do on the sanctuaries.

K: You don’t have to give an answer on what we are going to do; what I want to know is what ______ and what procedures we are ginning up to get ourselves ready. We would like to give a positive response and attitude.

S: OK.

Google Translated

Washington, ngày 30 tháng 7 năm 1973, 9:30 tối

K: Xin chào Jim.

S: Xin chào, Henry.

K: Jim, hai điều. Tôi có liên lạc riêng với Graham Martin, người đã ở Phnom Penh và cho rằng chúng ta nên chuyển hướng ném bom sang biên giới và các khu vực tập trung dọc biên giới. [Trang 387]

S: Được rồi, ý anh là B-52 à?

K: Vâng. Ông ấy cũng nói rằng có những hạn chế đối với việc ném bom của chúng ta.

S: Tôi không biết về điều đó. Đại sứ quán đã có những hạn chế đối với việc ném bom ở phía Nam.

K: Vì lý do gì?

S: Tôi chưa bao giờ nghĩ ra điều đó. Tôi nghĩ chúng ta đã thảo luận với anh ở San Clemente.

K: Và tôi đã bác bỏ nó sau đó.

S: Tôi nghĩ vậy. Được rồi, tôi sẽ kiểm tra lại. Tôi nghĩ nó đã bị hủy bỏ nhưng có thể họ vẫn đang sử dụng nó ngoài trận địa.

K: Chúng ta có thể chắc chắn được không. Chỉ còn hai tuần nữa thôi.

S: ______

K: Trong hai tuần tới và nhanh thôi.

S: Anh chắc chắn muốn điều đó. Có một xu hướng ẩn náu ở vùng biên giới. Dù sao thì để tôi xem xét.

K: Tôi biết tôi muốn vậy. Khuynh hướng đó là gì?

S: Tôi nghĩ thái độ có thể là mục đích là để phơi bày các vụ ném bom Campuchia chứ không phải để đánh bại ______ của Nam Việt Nam.

K: Nhưng Nam Việt Nam mới là vấn đề.

S: Vâng, nhưng chúng ta đã có một số thỏa thuận ngừng bắn với bọn khốn nạn này. Đột nhiên chúng ta mở màn bằng B-52. Để tôi xem xét vấn đề này và sẽ trả lời anh sau.

K: Nhưng hôm nay.

S: Vâng.

K: Jim, về cuộc trò chuyện hôm thứ Sáu của chúng ta, anh có thể cho tôi biết sớm nhất những gì anh đang làm để chúng tôi có thể liên lạc với ______ và nếu có bất kỳ thông tin nào không. Chúng ta cần phải chuẩn bị thật tốt.

S: Được rồi. Rất tốt. Tôi sẽ đến gặp John Foster.

K: Anh có thể cho tôi biết trước cuối ngày mai được không?

S: Câu hỏi đầu tiên sẽ khó trả lời vì chúng tôi không biết chúng tôi sẽ làm gì ở các khu bảo tồn.

K: Anh không cần phải trả lời về những gì chúng tôi sẽ làm; điều tôi muốn biết là ______ là gì và chúng tôi đang triển khai những quy trình nào để chuẩn bị. Chúng tôi muốn đưa ra phúc đáp tốt hơn.

S: Được rồi.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d95

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/pg_387

Schlesinger, James R.,

Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission until February 1973; Director of Central Intelligence from February 2 until July 2, 1973; Secretary of Defense from July 2, 1973, until November 19, 1975

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Schlesinger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Schlesinger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_Energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_Defense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Central_Intelligence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Atomic_Energy_Commission

https://history.defense.gov/Multimedia/Biographies/Article-View/Article/571289/james-r-schlesinger/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/james-r-schlesinger-cia-chief-and-cabinet-member-dies/2014/03/27/e4a8f01c-b5bb-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html

https://apnews.com/obituaries-ecc8779791ee4ab7973cf58b7d355305

https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/us-history-biographies/james-rodney-schlesinger

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/27/295270441/james-schlesinger-who-headed-cia-defense-dies-at-85

https://www.csis.org/news/j-stephen-morrison-appointed-james-r-schlesinger-distinguished-professor-miller-center

Henry A Kissinger

Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs until November 3, 1975; also Secretary of State from September 21, 1973

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/20/bilderberg-meeting-group-lisbon-kissinger

https://www.theguardian.com/world/bilderberg

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76ve13/summary

https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip

https://china.usc.edu/sites/default/files/styles/article_node_featured/public/article/featured-image/kissinger-zhou-sm_0.jpg?itok=qDjPx2_m

https://china.usc.edu/catalog/documents/us-china

http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2001/nr01-47.html

https://china.usc.edu/talking-points-july-22-august-3-2011

https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip#meetings

https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip#nixon-announcement

https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip#chinese-accept

https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip#signals

https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip#the_aim

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/23927/richard-m-nixon/asia-after-viet-nam

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v17/d4

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v17/d12

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v17/d13

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v17/d141

https://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/organization/100324.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger_and_the_Vietnam_War

Lesson in Vietnam from Kissinger to Nixon: “when we made it “our war” we would not let the South Vietnamese fight it; when it again became “their war”, we would not help them fight it.”

(We also had trouble with excesses here: when we made it “our war” we would not let the South Vietnamese fight it; when it again became “their war,” we would not help them fight it. Ironically, we prepared the South Vietnamese for main force warfare after 1954 (anticipating another Korean-type attack), and they faced a political war; they had prepared themselves for political warfare after 1973 only to be faced with a main force invasion 20 years after it had been expected.)

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v10/d280

Lesson of Vietnam May 12 1975 by Henry A. Kissinger

https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/exhibits/vietnam/032400091-002.pdf

https://thebattleofkontum.com/extras/kissinger.html

“Richard M. Nixon and Kissinger on 3 August 1972,” Conversation 760-006, Presidential Recordings Digital Edition [Fatal Politics, ed. Ken Huges] (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2014-). URL:https://prde.upress.virginia.edu/conversations/4006748 

https://player.vimeo.com/video/889937807?h=e44572c8f3&color=e57200&title=0&byline=0&portrait=0

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/nixon-kissinger-and-the-decent-interval

https://player.vimeo.com/video/889937807?h=e44572c8f3&color=e57200&title=0&byline=0&portrait=0

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http://www.theblackvault.com

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/the-cias-vietnam-document-cd-rom/

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